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February 8, 2010

God in effect – God in affect Part 2

Filed under: Bible Study, Commentary, Scripture — Tags: , , , , , , — Christopher @ 1:44 am

In the previous installment, God in effect – God in affect Part 1, I shared some thoughts on the idea that badbow,Got Fruit,http://media.photobucket.com/image/bow/lilladybug979/nas_BowTutorialPreview.jpg things happen because God doesn’t always intervene.  That’s not entirely accurate though.  Bad things don’t necessarily happen because God doesn’t intervene, they happen as a result (consequence) of the really bad things happening.. sin.

I’m going to take a step back today, by refreshing on two pivotal points in the history of the physical and spiritual worlds, hopefully tying these ideas together more tightly with the original thought of why bad things happen in the next installment.

IN THE PHYSICAL
Going back to Genesis and the Fall of Man, we could ask, “Where was God when Eve was being tempted by the serpent?  Why didn’t the Lord step in and crush the serpent before he even tempted Eve?”  A problem with this train of thought is that it leaves room to attempt to dodge the responsibility put on Adam and Eve.  Remember though, God gave Adam a command to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil along with the reason for why He was giving the command.  Though sin (the human ailment),  hadn’t entered into the world quite yet, the text from Genesis 2 points out that evil already existed.

Genesis 2:15-17
15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." 

IN THE SPIRITUAL
In Isaiah 14:12-14 & Ezekiel 28:12-18 we are given an account of something happening in the spiritual realm, that is, God dealing with Satan’s rebellion,take note of Isaiah 14:12 and Ezekiel 28:17…

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Setting the record straight for Job is God saying…

Job 38:4-7
4 "Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
       Tell me, if you understand.

5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
       Who stretched a measuring line across it?

6 On what were its footings set,
       or who laid its cornerstone-

7 while the morning stars sang together
       and all the angels shouted for joy
?

It’s not clear at what point angels were created or when exactly was Satan’s access to heaven revoked.  What is clear is that Satan’s rebellion, occurring before or during the seven days of creation is the earliest account of sin we know of.  What can be concluded, is that God allowed Satan and his minions to rebel, as He also allowed Adam & Eve to rebel when they exercised their choice to obey or disobey what God had commanded in the Garden of Eden.

BUILDING ON WHY BAD THINGS HAPPEN
So we ask, “Why would God allow either instance of rebellion to happen?”  An answer that seems to fit  God’s nature &  character is that for God to exert His power and will in such cases would seem to violate his very nature, that which makes Him good, just and righteous.  In short, coercion and force on the part of God to make Adam & Eve or us obey would be an act of oppression against his creation.  This is not to say that it elevates the creation above the creator, rather the Lord preserves His goodness in spite of His creation’s will to go against His will and desires.  Another view of obedience is that it is, the exercising of the option/attitude to obey vs not to obey.

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As a side note:

If we begin with the belief that goodness and only goodness comes from God; and that goodness was the original order and intention of God, what options for understanding evil do we have?  While Hollywood, deep thinkers, and other “cultural” influences might have us believe that the natural order of things is to have an opposite for  “goodness”, I don’t believe this to be an accurate reflection of goodness from the Christian worldview.     

To elaborate, I don’t understand evil as being the “compliment” of good; evil existing has nothing to do with a duality of good and evil, ie; good is not dependent upon evil, it’s not a yen & yang proposition.  Evil is a way to describe that which is without goodness, ie; void of goodness. And on that abrupt note I’ll close for now.

To be continued…

 

Grace and peace be with you.

September 18, 2009

The irony “lies” in the details

When the story initially broke about Representative Joe Wilson calling President Obama a liar during a joint session of Congress (over President Obama’s claims of what health care reform will cost and cover); my thoughts were that if Wilson’s accusations are true then he shouldn’t on principle, apologize.  If they’re true accusations there’s nothing to be apologetic for.  Who apologizes for speaking a truth?  If Wilson wanted to apologize or was coerced into making an apology, my opinion is that it should have been for losing his cool in making an accurate statement.  That said:

Exodus 20:16
"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

shock-20090918Instead of jumping on the Wilson outburst in Congress story ASAP, I took some time off to let things marinate for a while.  Interestingly, another incident in the political arena, fueled by events taking place in the “entertainment” industry, would soon follow and so the turn of events seems to have come full circle. 

Following Joe Wilson’s accusation of President Obama being a liar, “mr.” Kanye West, a hip-hop artist and entrepreneur, stormed the stage of the MTV Video Music Awards, just after the first award, for Best Female Video, was presented to Taylor Swift. In a turn of events that I found shocking and which appeared even visibly so in the footage of the audience’s reaction, West rudely interrupts Swift (a teenage singer), grabs the microphone from her and initiates his personal agenda by protesting in support of Beyoncé.

Galatians 5:24-26
24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

A few days later, and to come full circle though; President Obama is recorded in a conversation overheard by President Obam's opinion of Kanye WestABC news employees.  In his response to a question of his reaction to “mr.” West’s conduct, President Obama gives his opinion of “mr.” West….

What I find ironic about these events, particularly those dealing with Joe Wilson, President Obama and the “public opinion” is that consistency and a sense of what is right seems to be missed.

As for  Wilson’s outburst; I follow the argument that Wilson may have been out of line given the circumstances under which he flung his accusation.  The flip side of the coin though is this…, as a representative of the people, is he not “right” in watching out for the interests of his statesmen? Provided that stewardship of his duties is or was a motivating factor and not one of political maneuvering.  If, that is the case, is there not a precedence of doing what is ethically correct over what is politically correct?  I’m thinking more in the spirit of Jeremiah calling Judah to repentance.

This past Wednesday a friend and co-worker left a comment on FaceBook; replying to the initial post I added about the President’s opinion of Kanye West sparking a debate.  The gist of their comment is that they “loved the fact that there’s a President in office that will call it like it is”.  As “profound” as that statement may appear, President Obama’s remarks have very little if anything to do with honesty or truth.  I note that the comment my friend left,doesn’t make a comparison of the actions between President Obama and Representative Wilson.  I however am making one on the basis of both being politicians, that have vocally expressed their opinions.  in which case I have to differ with the sentiment of my friend’s comment on the following principles:

  • What bearing does a politician’s opinion of an entertainer have to do with governing?
  • What benefit does the public gain in knowing that the President is just like “Joe average”?

Going back to my days in the Army, I recall the transition that had to be made once promoted to Sergeant.  roman_soldierBeing entrusted with duties to train, lead and develop subordinate soldiers in doctrine and military protocol, I could no longer be their buddy due to regulations against fraternization i.e. socialize, mingle, mix, consort, hobnob.  Perhaps readers will relate better in the context of working as an associate for a company and then receiving a promotion to a managerial position?  Because of the new position and authority, associations with fellow employees and conduct that may have been “acceptable” while on the bottom of the totem pole, are now more detrimental to effective leadership.  Feelings, personalities and emotions have a tendency to get in the way of making right decisions as called for by the authority given.

So it all leads me to wonder how and when did it become acceptable to think that as one entrusted to govern, it’s alright to overlook Presidential conduct that mimics conduct expected of “Joe Average”?  Was President Obama making a truthful statement or is opinion?  Other than the MTV misconduct, I know nothing about Kanye West, so instead of drawing conclusions of his character, I’ll go from what Scripture says:

Luke 6:43-45
43"No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. 44Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. 45The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.

Earlier in the
week I posted some thoughts concerning honesty in the context of personal relationship with God and with others, a case of being confronted to tell the truth,whereas with the President’s remarks, it’s a matter of someone stating their opinion.   Thoughts and commentary in today’s post have to do with responsibility,integrity, and character of those in a position of authority.  I hope it’s understood that the intention is not to bash President Obama, nor to apologize for Representative Joe Wilson; rather to ask readers to look at the deeper implications of the actions of all involved in this ironic twist of events.

 

Grace and peace be with you.

February 28, 2009

C.S. Lewis quote on man understanding evil

Filed under: Commentary — Tags: , , , — Christopher @ 3:39 am

"When a man is getting better he understands more and more clearly the evil that is still left in him. When a man is getting worse he understands his own badness less and less."
~C.S. Lewis

 

Grace and peace be with you.

August 26, 2008

Discernment digression

Filed under: Commentary, Journal, Scripture — Tags: , , , , , , , , — Christopher @ 12:41 am

I need a break from the study and research I’m prepping for Wednesday night’s class over discernment, so I thought I’d just comment a bit on what’s going on with the preparation (not H) process plus whatever else comes to mind from the past few days.

I had a chance to chat briefly with a friend this weekend and I was sharing with my friend about the "teaching" opportunities put before me; and about how for the past few months I really felt this urging to address the young adults group about discernment.  My friend who serves in a ministry capacity informed me that discernment is a big subject but gave encouragement. bereans-20080826-001

Well let me tell you, I can definitely appreciate my friends outlook.  I must have spent at least 3 hours yesterday evening just trying to weed through notes and information gathered to come up with an outline of the materiel to be presented.   Keep in mind this is a subject that I hope will cover the next 6 to 8 weeks of 1 hour Bible Study/discussion.

Initially my ideas were born more out of concern to specifically inform the young adults about some of the teachings and movements that are Biblically unsound or at least cause me to look on them with a skeptical eye.  Thankfully, I quickly realized (thank you Lord, for your wisdom) that unless approached systematically, there was the potential for any study and or discussion to turn into several non-constructive and distracting practices such as:

  • joy derived from witch hunting versus truth seeking
  • us vs. them mentality
  • an hour of self-righteousness and haughtiness
  • discussion of a word with no weight to it (because no one understands from a Biblical perspective what, discernment is)

The last bullet is therefore going to be the base, with everything else discussed in the weeks to come originating from principles disclosed in that base topic (Discernment: What is it?).  Below is an outline (for the curious or for anyone else considering engaging a similar study time)… for what it’s worth.  This is simply a skeleton view of general ideas and questions to develop a broader study upon as it relates to defining discernment before jumping into examining doctrines and beliefs.

 Discernment: What is it?

  • What is discernment
  • What is the purpose of discernment
  • Why study the subject of discernment
  • How does one become a discerning Christian

The Gospel and Christian Doctrines defined (via CARM resources)

  • Essentials
  • Secondary Essentials

Comparison of doctrines (not all inclusive nor exhaustive)

  • Prosperity Gospel (Name it Claim It):
  • Emergent Church/Social Gospel:
  • New Age mysticism/spirituality/Contemplative prayer:
  • Humanism
  • Charismatic Movement
  • Classic cults: Mormonism, Catholicism, Jehovah’s Witnesses

Anywho…  just a few thoughts and ideas being kicked around the ‘ole noodle that I felt like sharing.

Proverbs 15:14
14 The discerning heart seeks knowledge,
       but the mouth of a fool feeds on folly.

folly:
1: lack of good sense or normal prudence and foresight
2 a: criminally or tragically foolish actions or conduct obsolete : evil, wickedness; especially : lewd behavior
3: a foolish act or idea
4: an excessively costly or unprofitable undertaking
5: an often extravagant picturesque building erected to suit a fanciful taste


Grace and peace be with you.

June 16, 2008

Contrary quote – C.S. Lewis

Filed under: Quotes — Tags: , , , , , — Christopher @ 12:26 pm

A short & sweet answer to the question: “Why is there evil & suffering in the world?”

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“You must believe that God is separate from the world and that some of the things we see in it are contrary to His will.”
-C.S. Lewis

Grace and peace be with you

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